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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:33:00 -
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I've got a question regarding ISBoxer.
As i'm a frequent user of ISBoxer and pretty much does everything myself to control my clients. What's the stance? Can i use keymaps? Repeater Regions? Put a videofeed up of a my client on a 'blank' background?
CCP Never said wether they were against Multiboxing or not as far as i've heard... With this coming up, we need an answer... yay or nay to multiboxing? if nay which program? if yay which? we need a list. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 10:54:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:eXeler0n wrote:Whats with IS Boxer? http://isboxer.com/You click in one place - and this is transferred to a 5 other running eve clients. So 6 accounts are doing the same thing. Now guess what - few minutes in web and i found EVE Bots running on ... IsBoxer. Instead connecting to eve client they connect them self to IsBoxer - then isBoxer ( as accepted software ) do the rest. So CCP - this means that IsBoxer is now forbidden?
Since it's a player doing it, i don't think there's an issue.
I would like an official statement from CCP, i made a pettition and got a link to this thread, however no CCP guy have answered it yet. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:02:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Not in this cases - instead player providing input for isboxer - bot is doing this.
That argument is vague, i don't see how you could setup a complete bot using ISBoxer, you must have some thirdparty software involved. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:29:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Autopilot to 0 does not make Eve a better game. It makes Eve a worse game. Hence the ( temporary ) bans. Consider it a warning if you are using other cheats - now is a really great time to stop cheating if you want to continue playing. Expect other bans for other forms of cheating once CCP thinks the warning has had enough time to sink in.
Which is why alot of people would like to know the stance on multiboxing. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:51:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:How can CCP give a definative answer on something like multiboxing when the software tools used to multibox are outside of their control?
If CCP looks at ISBoxer ( just as an example ) and comes to the conclusion that it's OK - Then they say "Yes it's OK to use ISBoxer" What happens when the day after CCP said it's Ok ,the ISBoxer devs update the software and add a feature that CCP are very much against? CCP just said it was OK to use it, but now it does different things to when CCP reviewed it. CCP can't ban people for using something they said was OK to use. But it now breaks the rules, ELUA, spirit of the rules in a way that is definitely cheating. CCP are now stuck.
CCP deals with this by problem defining as best they can what is cheating. They then say you can't use software that falls into their definition of cheating. ITS UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF THE SOFTWARE YOU WANT TO USE MEETS THIS DEFINITION OF CHEATING OR NOT. If you are unsure then the simplest way to avoid problems is not to use the software. It's not up to CCP to YES/NO every bit of software that they have no control over.
In that case it's up to CCP to contact the developer of the software, and tell him what extend he's allowed to go and what he's not, there's alot of gray areas currently. Gray areas are not good. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 11:55:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Bloody Wench wrote:
Warp to 0 AP is not a game breaking hack / exploit. It doesn't impact gameplay negatively for the vast majority of players. With the exception of suiciders and gate camps, and clearly improves gameplay for over 2000 users. I realise at this point I sound like I'm in favour of it, and possibly I am, however my personal stance is irrelevant.
Ratting bots, mission running bots, courier bots, market bots and mining bots....these things adversely impact my game play.
Someone getting 30 jumps 15 minutes quicker I don't give a ****.
That's purely opinion, and it's wrong. It is an exploit as decided by CCP and the ELUA. The bans are proof that CCP consider it an exploit. That it negatively impacts a single player is enough. That fact you want to be able to do it is irrelevant. It provides imbalance. Piracy is a valid deliberate play style in Eve - auto to zero interferes with that game play style in a matter that the game manufacturer considers serious enough to ban people for. You can petition CCP to change their stance on this as is your right - but right now it is a bannable exploit.
The reason Warp to Zero is banned is because you modify the client, not because of how it impacts the game, that's only a small part of it, if any. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:00:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:culo duro wrote:
In that case it's up to CCP to contact the developer of the software, and tell him what extend he's allowed to go and what he's not, there's alot of gray areas currently. Gray areas are not good.
Nope absolutely not. It's up to you to abide by the Eve ELUA - it's that simple. Abide or be banned. What you propose is a practical impossibility for soooo sooo many reasons I couldn't list them all here. Basically it all boils down to CCP has no control over 3rd party developers. e.g. anonymously written software, how could CCP possibly control that? Pure fantasy. As a player of Eve you must abide by the ELUA of face the consequences, it's that simple.
You didn't watch the last stream did you? CCP Works along with thirdparty developers to improve their game. Please go somewhere else unless you got something constructive to say. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:02:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:CCP prepare a topic: - automation wish-list in eve.
Take 20 things people are requesting most often.
Create a voting on each ( people can say YES/NO)
And after this decide what things have to be changed in eve.
There's never going to be allowed Automation in eve, there have to be a player doing it. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:13:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:culo duro wrote:
You didn't watch the last stream did you? CCP Works along with thirdparty developers to improve their game. Please go somewhere else unless you got something constructive to say.
And the 3rd party devs who don't work with CCP or abide by CCP rules? It's not the ones who play fair that are the problem. Soime 3rd party tools - the botting software for exaple is clearly against CCP rules - those devs are hardly cooperating with CCP are they? CCP cannot control all 3rd party external software developers. That's a fact. and it's not for you to decide who does and doesn't post here thank you - it's not my fault you are trying to build a straw man out of thin air
This is completely regarding the Thirdparty software which is borderline crossing the EULA, not the Thirdparty apps which have clearly crossed that line...
Bots are automated which is clearly against the EULA, however CCP is saying stuff like Macros is disallowed... Macros in itself is a huge word.
It can be me pressing Numpad1 on my keyboard broadcasting to 1 other client, or it can be me broadcasting to 27 other clients. That's what we need a stance on.
However you chose to come here to the forum and use internet logic: "You don't have the same opinion as me therefore you're wrong." That's not how opinions work.
If CCP wanted to communicate with a guy like Joe that's masking ISBoxer, they could easily do so. I've spoken to Joe and according to him his software doesn't break the EULA, but as he told me, it depends on how CCP looks at it. CCP left a huge gray area, which they need to close. That's what people are talking about.... Silly NPC Alt. |

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Posted - 2013.04.19 12:17:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:culo duro wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:CCP prepare a topic: - automation wish-list in eve.
Take 20 things people are requesting most often.
Create a voting on each ( people can say YES/NO)
And after this decide what things have to be changed in eve.
There's never going to be allowed Automation in eve, there have to be a player doing it. Only what type of automation we are talking about? Im talking abut of automation level already present in eve. For example auto reloading weapons - this is automation level that im thinking about.
Stuff which this thread is about. When you're reloading your guns automatically you're probably present, which doesn't break the EULA. If you do Automation like Botting or that's what CCP seems to be after, but it definently needs to be presented. |
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